From milktree; Tue Feb 19 02:23:39 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:33:47 -0500 From: Milktree To: hawkgt-list Subject: Bandit 400 jetting question.. The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it seems to work better than it used to, except for one two things. when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay before the engine picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels like when an engine hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the power band, but it doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's also a little burble. The power will come back if I *close* the throttle a bit, a lot like if they weren't CV carbs. The kit instructions said to start at clip position 3 (the middle), and when that felt funny I lowered it to position 2 (leaner), and the bike was almost unridable, it would burble and bog down except at very small throttle openings. So I next tried clip 4, and it got better than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary of trying the richest position because even the "race exhaust" hints in the instructions only had the clip in the middle. The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, should I try swapping back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I don't know why, I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know what they're doing. The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is kind of mushy. the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture screws, I don't think, they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture into the throttle body. http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. any hints? -Will From 1ajfernandez Tue Feb 19 02:23:57 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:34:31 -0500 From: Adam Fernandez To: hawkgt-list Subject: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. Will, I too have a B4 and have also jetted it, but I didn't buy the kit I just bought bigger mains, I think like 105s? Who knows how close they really are to that size but that's what they say on them. Anyway, I'd try putting the stock springs back in as I have had great performance with my stock springs, unless you've got a high flow exhaust, mine's stock. My needles are shimmed about 0.5-1mm, and I had to richen up with the mixture screws, I believe by Unscrewing them about 3-4 turns from full in. My bike's got almost too much off idle snap and great throttle response. The flat response you're getting definately sounds like a Too Rich problem. Good Luck (Lach of bad luck rather)-Adam From J9andR Tue Feb 19 02:24:49 2002 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:30:42 EST From: J9andR To: milktree Subject: Bandit 400 - Was...Re: Correction :Re: TBR (?) right exit sytem question Will - So what did you end up doing to the Bandit to solve the stalling problem? I needs to know :-). Cheers, Rick From oldrice_hawkgt Tue Feb 19 02:27:48 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: Oldrice To: Milktree Subject: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. have you tried looking for a leak? sounds like an air leak to me. But then I still feel I don't know enough about the issue either. Have you tried hotter plugs? Leaning it? (the jetting - not the bike LOL!) I think seriously that if you fix one issue, you'll fix the other. They're one and the same. The big Q - what have you done regarding airbox? changes? Geoff- --- Milktree wrote: > The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it > seems to work better > than it used to, except for one two things. > > when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay > before the engine > picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels like > when an engine > hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the power > band, but it > doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's also a > little burble. > > The power will come back if I *close* the throttle a > bit, a lot like > if they weren't CV carbs. > > The kit instructions said to start at clip position > 3 (the middle), > and when that felt funny I lowered it to position 2 > (leaner), and the > bike was almost unridable, it would burble and bog > down except at very > small throttle openings. So I next tried clip 4, > and it got better > than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary of > trying the richest > position because even the "race exhaust" hints in > the instructions > only had the clip in the middle. > > The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, > should I try swapping > back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I > don't know why, > I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know > what they're doing. > > > The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is > kind of mushy. > > the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture > screws, I don't think, > they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture > into the throttle > body. > > http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ > > has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. > > > > any hints? > > -Will __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From GREGDUNN Tue Feb 19 02:27:58 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:48:37 -0500 From: GREGDUNN To: Milktree Subject: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. >when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay before the engine >picks up. Sounds like a lean bog - on the pilot/progression circuit. Try a larger pilot or if the adjustment screws are air-bleeds, screw them in, that in effect richens the mixture. >The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, should I try swapping >back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I don't know why, >I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know what they're doing. I wouldnt' swap the springs - they are designed for use with a particular needle that is in it's correct position with the correct spring pressure. I Would try pilot circuit mods first. Greg From toddaument Tue Feb 19 02:28:03 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:51:57 -0800 From: Todd Aument To: milktree Subject: NHC: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. Hey Will, Is the "little burble" backfiring through the carbs? (too lean) Have you read this document?: http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtun.html What's with the "mushy" feeling? Did the kit come with large pilots? Many people think that the Factory pilot jets are too rich. (including the Factory Dyno in one case when my friend had his Hawk dyno'ed) Keep me posted, I'm a carb fanatic now... Seya, Todd >From: Milktree >Reply-To: Milktree >To: hawkgt-list >Subject: Bandit 400 jetting question.. >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:33:47 -0500 > >The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it seems to work better >than it used to, except for one two things. > >when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay before the engine >picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels like when an engine >hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the power band, but it >doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's also a little burble. > >The power will come back if I *close* the throttle a bit, a lot like >if they weren't CV carbs. > >The kit instructions said to start at clip position 3 (the middle), >and when that felt funny I lowered it to position 2 (leaner), and the >bike was almost unridable, it would burble and bog down except at very >small throttle openings. So I next tried clip 4, and it got better >than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary of trying the richest >position because even the "race exhaust" hints in the instructions >only had the clip in the middle. > >The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, should I try swapping >back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I don't know why, >I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know what they're doing. > > >The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is kind of mushy. > >the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture screws, I don't think, >they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture into the throttle >body. > >http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ > >has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. > > > >any hints? > > -Will _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From oldrice_hawkgt Tue Feb 19 02:28:08 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: Oldrice To: Milktree wrote: > > The airbox and filter are stock, and the plugs are > stock. This is New > England, so the engine doesn't get much time to heat > up at all. > > I'm pretty sure there aren't any air leaks because > when I close the > throttle the engine drops to idle speed plenty fast. > > I don't think making it leaner will help, as raising > the needle > (richer) did help. > > I think I'm going to try unscrewing the fuel screws > a bit next. > > It's just weird that it would do that weird lag > burble thing. > > -Will > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Oldrice wrote: > > > have you tried looking for a leak? sounds like an > air > > leak to me. But then I still feel I don't know > enough > > about the issue either. Have you tried hotter > plugs? > > Leaning it? (the jetting - not the bike LOL!) > > > > I think seriously that if you fix one issue, > you'll > > fix the other. They're one and the same. > > > > The big Q - what have you done regarding airbox? > > changes? > > > > Geoff- > > > > > > > > --- Milktree wrote: > > > The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it > > > seems to work better > > > than it used to, except for one two things. > > > > > > when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a > delay > > > before the engine > > > picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels > like > > > when an engine > > > hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the > power > > > band, but it > > > doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's > also a > > > little burble. > > > > > > The power will come back if I *close* the > throttle a > > > bit, a lot like > > > if they weren't CV carbs. > > > > > > The kit instructions said to start at clip > position > > > 3 (the middle), > > > and when that felt funny I lowered it to > position 2 > > > (leaner), and the > > > bike was almost unridable, it would burble and > bog > > > down except at very > > > small throttle openings. So I next tried clip > 4, > > > and it got better > > > than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary > of > > > trying the richest > > > position because even the "race exhaust" hints > in > > > the instructions > > > only had the clip in the middle. > > > > > > The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, > > > should I try swapping > > > back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, > but I > > > don't know why, > > > I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know > > > what they're doing. > > > > > > > > > The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is > > > kind of mushy. > > > > > > the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture > > > screws, I don't think, > > > they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture > > > into the throttle > > > body. > > > > > > http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ > > > > > > has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > any hints? > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From toddaument Tue Feb 19 02:28:14 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:09:31 -0800 From: Todd Aument To: milktree Subject: Re: NHC: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. So the jet kit came with stiffer springs, no pilots, and smaller mains? Are you sure you got the right kit? Maybe that loss of snap is the stiffer springs keeping the mains "closed" for too long. Perhaps moving the needle up higher (or going back to the stock springs) will help...allowing the main to come into play earlier. I haven't spoken with them personally, but I've heard that the telephone tech support from Factory is excellent. Keep me posted, Todd >From: Milktree >To: Todd Aument >Subject: Re: NHC: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:59:32 -0500 (EST) > > >I've looked at that document, but not in a while, I should look at it >again. > >The kit didn't come with any slow jets at all, only main jets. Oddly >enough the new jets are *smaller* than the stock ones, 95 and 97.5 vs >the stock 102.5 > >um mushy... when I snap open the throttle the engine doesn't snap up >to speed, it kinda just gets there eventually, relatively speaking. >it's still a small inline 4, so it's pretty snappy, just not the way >it seesm like it ought to be. > > -Will > >On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Todd Aument wrote: > > > Hey Will, > > > > Is the "little burble" backfiring through the carbs? (too lean) > > > > Have you read this document?: > > http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbtun.html > > > > What's with the "mushy" feeling? Did the kit come with large pilots? >Many > > people think that the Factory pilot jets are too rich. (including the > > Factory Dyno in one case when my friend had his Hawk dyno'ed) > > > > Keep me posted, I'm a carb fanatic now... > > > > Seya, > > Todd > > > > > > > > >From: Milktree > > >Reply-To: Milktree > > >To: hawkgt-list > > >Subject: Bandit 400 jetting question.. > > >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:33:47 -0500 > > > > > >The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it seems to work better > > >than it used to, except for one two things. > > > > > >when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay before the engine > > >picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels like when an engine > > >hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the power band, but it > > >doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's also a little burble. > > > > > >The power will come back if I *close* the throttle a bit, a lot like > > >if they weren't CV carbs. > > > > > >The kit instructions said to start at clip position 3 (the middle), > > >and when that felt funny I lowered it to position 2 (leaner), and the > > >bike was almost unridable, it would burble and bog down except at very > > >small throttle openings. So I next tried clip 4, and it got better > > >than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary of trying the richest > > >position because even the "race exhaust" hints in the instructions > > >only had the clip in the middle. > > > > > >The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, should I try swapping > > >back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I don't know why, > > >I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know what they're doing. > > > > > > > > >The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is kind of mushy. > > > > > >the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture screws, I don't think, > > >they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture into the throttle > > >body. > > > > > >http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ > > > > > >has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. > > > > > > > > > > > >any hints? > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world^Òs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Michael.Pescetto Tue Feb 19 02:28:20 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:31:49 -0600 From: Pescetto Michael-WLMP19 To: 'Milktree' Subject: RE: Bandit 400 jetting question.. [ The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. ] [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] My suggestion is that you call FactoryPro. They are extraordinarily helpful, and really know their shit. They will tell you what to do first, second and third. And what to do if other symptoms show up. Call on Saturday and you might get to talk to Marc Salivisberg himself, you will spend many an hour learning everything their is to know about jetting. Everybody always says to make sure the carbs/boots are seated correctly, but you already know that. If you think that going rich is causing problems, try going lean. My hawk setup should be extremely rich compared to what everybody else is running, but it goes like all hell this way, so I am sticking with it (170/168 mains, 3 out on mix). If you have ignored the mix/fuel-air screws, go there first. > -----Original Message----- > From: Milktree [mailto:milktree] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:34 PM > To: hawkgt-list > Subject: Bandit 400 jetting question.. > > > The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it seems to work better > than it used to, except for one two things. > > when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay before the engine > picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels like when an engine > hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the power band, but it > doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's also a little burble. > > The power will come back if I *close* the throttle a bit, a lot like > if they weren't CV carbs. > > The kit instructions said to start at clip position 3 (the middle), > and when that felt funny I lowered it to position 2 (leaner), and the > bike was almost unridable, it would burble and bog down except at very > small throttle openings. So I next tried clip 4, and it got better > than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary of trying the richest > position because even the "race exhaust" hints in the instructions > only had the clip in the middle. > > The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, should I try swapping > back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I don't know why, > I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know what they're doing. > > > The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is kind of mushy. > > the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture screws, I don't think, > they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture into the throttle > body. > > http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ > > has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. > > > > any hints? > > -Will > From GREGDUNN Tue Feb 19 02:28:25 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:32:56 -0500 From: GREGDUNN To: Milktree Subject: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. > >huh... the kit didn't come with pilot jets, but it does have pilot >screws. > >can you tell from this: > >http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/4-7.jpg It's a fuel screw. Back it out a half turn on each carb and see what the throttle response feels like then. Greg From Richard.L.Jongsma Tue Feb 19 02:28:32 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:01:29 -0500 From: Richard.L.Jongsma To: milktree Subject: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. Float level is critical and can give the symptoms you describe. If the level is set with too much pressure on the needle valve, it will compress the internal spring in the valve and you will set your floats too lean. Factorypro's web site has an excellent trouble shooting section. Rick milktree COM To: hawkgt-list Sent by: cc: hawkgt-list Subject: Bandit 400 jetting question.. HAWKGT.COM 02/18/2002 01:33 PM Please respond to milktree The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it seems to work better than it used to, except for one two things. when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay before the engine picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels like when an engine hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the power band, but it doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's also a little burble. The power will come back if I *close* the throttle a bit, a lot like if they weren't CV carbs. The kit instructions said to start at clip position 3 (the middle), and when that felt funny I lowered it to position 2 (leaner), and the bike was almost unridable, it would burble and bog down except at very small throttle openings. So I next tried clip 4, and it got better than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary of trying the richest position because even the "race exhaust" hints in the instructions only had the clip in the middle. The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, should I try swapping back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I don't know why, I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know what they're doing. The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is kind of mushy. the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture screws, I don't think, they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture into the throttle body. http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. any hints? -Will From oldrice_hawkgt Tue Feb 19 02:28:38 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: Oldrice To: Milktree Subject: Re: Bandit 400 jetting question.. Hmmm. Not your bike. That is a dilemma. Short term, I would say try a plug change to a slightly hotter plug - but then it's expensive and - it's not your bike. Ebay airbox? then drill it out with a uni in it and use straws like we did at the races way back when. Uni's reacted well to straws because you could poke a straw through it and if it wasn't enough, you could punch holes in the straws - or add more straws. "Filter tuning". Those coffee stirrers work the best as they are stiffer and last longer too. I don't know what else to tell ya Will. My .02 Geoff- --- Milktree wrote: > > it's a stock airbox, filter, and headers. the > muffler is a F1s > slip-on, so it's not too radical a change. I don't > want to do too > much to the engine as it's not my bike and the owner > should probably > learn to work with the power it's got before adding > too much more. > > 4 K&N pods are expensive too, and the stock airbox > is bloody huge, > with a big-ass UNI style filter anyway. > > -Will > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, > Oldrice wrote: > > > Will, > > > > are you using a racepipe and a jet kit with a > stock > > airbox and airfilter? I surely think that's you're > > problem right there. easy fix too. > > > > Try taking out the filter and just running the > airbox > > with no filter in it and the needle clip in the #3 > > position (in the middle). If that seems a *lot* > better > > but still lags a little bit at take off - I > suggest > > getting a set of K&N pods or better yet - a K&N > > repladcement filter and drilling out the airbox. > That > > should do it. Then get new plugs. You'll be > stylin. > > > > Geoff- > > > > --- Milktree wrote: > > > > > > The airbox and filter are stock, and the plugs > are > > > stock. This is New > > > England, so the engine doesn't get much time to > heat > > > up at all. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure there aren't any air leaks > because > > > when I close the > > > throttle the engine drops to idle speed plenty > fast. > > > > > > I don't think making it leaner will help, as > raising > > > the needle > > > (richer) did help. > > > > > > I think I'm going to try unscrewing the fuel > screws > > > a bit next. > > > > > > It's just weird that it would do that weird lag > > > burble thing. > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Oldrice wrote: > > > > > > > have you tried looking for a leak? sounds like > an > > > air > > > > leak to me. But then I still feel I don't know > > > enough > > > > about the issue either. Have you tried hotter > > > plugs? > > > > Leaning it? (the jetting - not the bike LOL!) > > > > > > > > I think seriously that if you fix one issue, > > > you'll > > > > fix the other. They're one and the same. > > > > > > > > The big Q - what have you done regarding > airbox? > > > > changes? > > > > > > > > Geoff- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Milktree wrote: > > > > > The bandit now has its jet kit installed, > and it > > > > > seems to work better > > > > > than it used to, except for one two things. > > > > > > > > > > when I open the throttle at any rpm there is > a > > > delay > > > > > before the engine > > > > > picks up. It feels sort of like what it > feels > > > like > > > > > when an engine > > > > > hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the > > > power > > > > > band, but it > > > > > doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's > > > also a > > > > > little burble. > > > > > > > > > > The power will come back if I *close* the > > > throttle a > > > > > bit, a lot like > > > > > if they weren't CV carbs. > > > > > > > > > > The kit instructions said to start at clip > > > position > > > > > 3 (the middle), > > > > > and when that felt funny I lowered it to > > > position 2 > > > > > (leaner), and the > > > > > bike was almost unridable, it would burble > and > > > bog > > > > > down except at very > > > > > small throttle openings. So I next tried > clip > > > 4, > > > > > and it got better > > > > > than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm > wary > > > of > > > > > trying the richest > > > > > position because even the "race exhaust" > hints > > > in > > > > > the instructions > > > > > only had the clip in the middle. > > > > > > > > > > The kit came with longer, stiffer slide > springs, > > > > > should I try swapping > > > > > back to the stock springs? I'm thinking > not, > > > but I > > > > > don't know why, > > > > > I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro > know > > > > > what they're doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other problem is that the off-idle > "snap" is > > > > > kind of mushy. > > > > > > > > > > the pilot screws on these carbs aren't > mixture > > > > > screws, I don't think, > > > > > they just let more or less of a fuel-air > mixture > > > > > into the throttle > > > > > body. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ > > > > > > > > > > has the relevant pages from the Suzuki > manual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any hints? > > > > > > > > > > -Will > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From miker Tue Feb 19 02:28:44 2002 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:08:02 -0500 From: Mike Ratta To: Milktree >The bandit now has its jet kit installed, and it seems to work better >than it used to, except for one two things. > >when I open the throttle at any rpm there is a delay before the engine >picks up. It feels sort of like what it feels like when an engine >hasn't quite gotten to the sweet spot in the power band, but it >doesn't matter what rpm I do it at. There's also a little burble. > >The power will come back if I *close* the throttle a bit, a lot like >if they weren't CV carbs. > >The kit instructions said to start at clip position 3 (the middle), >and when that felt funny I lowered it to position 2 (leaner), and the >bike was almost unridable, it would burble and bog down except at very >small throttle openings. So I next tried clip 4, and it got better >than in clip 3, but still not right. I'm wary of trying the richest >position because even the "race exhaust" hints in the instructions >only had the clip in the middle. > >The kit came with longer, stiffer slide springs, should I try swapping >back to the stock springs? I'm thinking not, but I don't know why, >I'm just assuming that people at FactoryPro know what they're doing. > > >The other problem is that the off-idle "snap" is kind of mushy. > >the pilot screws on these carbs aren't mixture screws, I don't think, >they just let more or less of a fuel-air mixture into the throttle >body. > >http://www.mahonkin.com/~milktree/bandit-carb/ > >has the relevant pages from the Suzuki manual. > > > >any hints? > > -Will > Mike Ratta Network Engineer NeCSys, MIT Media Lab 20 Ames St. Cambridge MA. 02139 Bldg E15-473D (617)253-3641